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TURNER, Arthur

Male 1877 - 1925  (48 years)

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  • Name TURNER, Arthur 
    Born 9 Jan 1877  Farnborough, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Reference Number 2349 
    _UID 174F90B938EF4AE198603A0EE15A20D773B3 
    Died 4 Apr 1925  Farnborough, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Buried 8 Apr 1925 
    Person ID I2349  Edgoose
    Last Modified 17 Apr 2017 

    Father TURNER, Arthur,   b. 15 Nov 1850, Bermondsey, Surrey Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 8 Apr 1913, Farnborough, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 62 years) 
    Mother HALL, Caroline Eliza,   b. 1851, Frimley, Surrey Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 24 Feb 1901, Farnborough, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 50 years) 
    Married 8 Nov 1873  Farnborough, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F740  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family DORRETY, Edith Jane,   b. 1883, Dissington, Northumberland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 19 May 1922, Farnborough, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 39 years) 
    Married 1904  Hartley Wintney Registration District, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location 
     1. TURNER, Vera Dorritty,   b. 1905, Hartley Wintney Registration District, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1930, Hartley Wintney Registration District, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 25 years)
     2. TURNER, Edith Caroline (Buster),   b. 29 Jan 1910, Farnborough, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1985, Chichester Registration District, Sussex Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 74 years)
    Last Modified 17 Apr 2017 
    Family ID F1273  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • ARTHUR TURNER 1877-1925

      Arthur TURNER was born at Farnborough, Hampshire, on 9 January 1877, son of Arthur and Caroline Eliza TURNER. Arthur TURNER had married Caroline Eliza HALL at Farnborough on 8 November 1873.
      (GRO June Q 1877 Harley W. 2c 178)

      There is a photograph of him and his brother Harry in Jo Gosney's book "Farnborough Past" as well as a small paragraph on page 93.
      (Phillimore 2001 ISBN 1 86077 186 6)

      The 1881 census returns for Lynchford Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, list the following:
      Arthur TURNER, head, aged 30, builder and undertaker, born at London, Middlesex;
      Caroline TURNER, wife, aged 29, born at Frimley, Surrey;
      *Arthur TURNER, son, aged 4, a scholar, born at Farnborough;
      Annie C. TURNER, daughter, aged 2, a scholar, born at Farnborough;
      Kate TURNER, daughter, aged 8 months, born at Farnborough;
      Amelia HALL, visitor, sister-in-law, aged 22, servant, born at Frimley.

      From the 1891 census of Lynchford Road, Farnborough, Hampshire:
      Arthur TURNER, head, aged 40, general furnisher, born in London:
      Eliza TURNER, wife, aged 39, born at Frimley, Surrey;
      *Arthur TURNER, son, aged 14, scholar, born at Farnborough;
      Annie TURNER, daughter, aged 12, scholar, born at Farnborough;
      Katie TURNER, daughter, aged 10, scholar, born at Farnborough;
      Harry TURNER, son, age 8, scholar, born at Farnborough, Hants;
      Elizabeth MILLER, servant. aged 35, widow, general servant, born at Mitcham, Surrey.

      According to an e-mail from Tony Spencer on 14 December 2001, Arthur D. TURNER was born at Farnborough, Hampshire, in 1877. The following information is from Mr. Spencer:
      He played for Aldershot North End in 1892-1894.
      He had football trials with Brentford and Reading in his position of outside right. In 1899 he was transferred from Camberley St. Michael's to Southampton FC where he made his debut in an away game against Millwall on 14 October 1899. He played in a Southern League Representative XI on 26 February 1900, in a match against the Amateurs of the South held at Queens Club, West Kensington, London, to raise money for the South African War Fund. He scored a goal in the 7-2 victory. Only a week later, on 7 March 1900, he was called up for an England trial held at Crystal Palace. This trial was billed as the South vs the North and ended in a 4-4 draw. Ten days later he was in Lansdowne Road, Dublin, earning his first cap. He gained his second England cap against Ireland at The Dell, Southampton, in 1901. He is believed to have been the first Hampshire born player to represent England. Southampton FC were Southern League champions in 1901, and he appeared for the losing side in the FA Cup finals in 1900 and 1902.

      According to Southampton FC's historian Gary Chalk, Arthur TURNER's debut was against Arsenal on 11 October 1899.

      The pick of Southampton's signings in the summer of 1899 was not an established League star, but Archie TURNER of Camberley St. Michaels. "Recommended to Southampton by a former Echo journalist who had moved to the Aldershot area, TURNER's uniqueness (until he was joined by Harrison) as the only Hampshire man to play for a side full of northerners and Scots has already been touched upon. He was also the first professional from the county to be capped by England".
      ('Full-Time at The Dell' by Dave Juson and David Bull, page 61, and 'Match of the Millenium' edited by David Bull and Bob Brunskell, page 26)

      He is plainly visible in the group photograph taken circa 1899 and published in Dave Juson's 'Saints v. Pompey', page 10.

      The 1900 FA Cup Final was an unmitigated disaster for Saints. Losing 4-0 to Bury at Crystal Palace on 21 April was undoubtedly a humbling result. "The Saints were, undoubtedly, the more cultured and talented side...... three Saints' players had reprsented England that season: centre-half Arthur CHADWICK, Jack ROBINSON, the most highly regarded goalkeeper in the country; and young left-winger, Arthur TURNER, the only Hampshire man in the Southampton side".
      ('Full-Time at The Dell', page 63, and 'Match of the Millenium', page 24)

      The photograph of A. TURNER, outside right, appeared on the front of the Official Team Card for the match between Southampton and Watford on Saturday 8 December 1900.

      Three Southampton players, Jack ROBINSON, C.B. FRY and Arthur TURNER, represented England against Ireland at The Dell on 9 March 1901. England won 3-0, despite TURNER leaving the field injured after 20 minutes.
      (source: 'Full-Time at The Dell' by Dave Juson and David Bull, page 64)

      The 1901 census was taken on 31 March:
      Arthur TURNER, head, aged 50, born in London;
      *Arthur TURNER, son, aged 24, professional footballer, born at Farnborough;
      Anne TURNER, daughter, aged 22, born at Farnborough;
      Kate TURNER, daughter, aged 20, born Farnborough;
      Harry TURNER, son, aged 18, Ironmonger's assistant, born at Farnborough.

      On 22 December 1901 Arthur TURNER was suspended for 7 days for misconduct on the field. Perhaps he appealed and won because in a Southern League match against Northampton played on 28 December 1901 (and which Southampton won 11-0) the team included Arthur TURNER from Farnborough. "Then TURNER, who was tormenting the visiting defenders, added the fourth goal, an excellently-timed shot from close in on the right".
      (Gary Chalk's research In Southampton Football Club's minutes and 'Match of the Millenium' edited by David Bull and Bob Brunskell, page 26)

      A report of the FA Cup First Round Second Replay on 3 February 1902 against Tottenham Hotspur which Southampton won 2-0 shows that Archie TURNER "screwed in a tricky shot".
      ('Match of the Millenium', page 28)

      He played in the FA Cup Final Replay against Sheffield United at Crystal Palace on 26 April 1902. Southampton lost 1-2 in "one of the best finals for some years" according to The Times. There are photographs of Arthur TURNER on pages 30 and 33.
      ('Match of the Millenium')

      He was, apparently, the proof that the south could produce talented footballers. He gained two England caps during his two seasons at The Dell, before heading for Derby County in May 1902 for the 1902-1903 season, playing twenty one times and scoring once.
      (Tony Spencer and 'Full-Time at The Dell' by Dave Juson and David Bull, page 68)

      According to Douglas Hamming's 'An English Football Internationalists' Who's Who' in 1903 he was 5ft. 8 ins. tall and weighed 11st. 10lbs.
      Lamming writes further: "Outside-right very much the opportunist type. He would pounce on the slimmest of chances eventually parting with the ball to the most advantageously placed colleague. Left the first-class game early - when only 28 - and returned to his native Farnborough, there joining his father's business."
      (Hutton Press, 1990)

      In January 1903 he signed for Newcastle United and played thirteen times, scoring once. Newcastle United was the source of the photograph of ARKIE in the famous Magpie black and white stripes.

      In February 1904 he was transferred to Tottenham Hotspur for 150, although a correspondent for Tottenham Hotspur claimed that only 100 was paid on 26 January 1904, and they noted that Newcastle had paid Derby what was then the huge sum of 350 the previous season. While at Tottenham, he was loaned to Bristol City to play one match for them (source: "Bristol City the Complete Record" by Wood and Crabtree).

      At the end of the 1903-1904 season he returned to Southampton before retiring from professional football at the end of the 1904-1905 season. He had made a total of seventy-eight Southern League appearances for the Saints, scoring 24 goals, and twenty FA Cup appearances scoring six goals.

      He returned to his home town of Farnborough. He married Edith DORRITTY at Hartley Wintney Register Office on 14 April 1904. He was described as a 27 year old bachelor, a football player, of Lynchford Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, and son of ironmonger Arthur TURNER. Edith was a 20 year spinster from 84 Longley Street, Newcastle on Tyne, daughter of Thomas DORRITTY, a deceased coachman. Witnesses were Annie TURNER (his sister) and Ethelbert BROWNE (his sister Annie's future husband)
      (GRO June Q 1904 Hartley W. 2c 445)

      He was back playing for Southampton by 7 September 1904 when he was in the team that beat Portsmouth 2-0. He is mentioned again in a report of the game between Southampton and Portsmouth on 25 March 1905: "With six minutes gone, HARRISON released TURNER, who 'planted the leather well in the goal mouth, FRASER, timing splendidly, caught the ball on his cranium, and sent it past HARRIS'".
      ('Saints v Pompey' by Dave Juson)

      His last appearance for Southampton was in the away game against Tottenham Hotspur on 21 April 1905.

      His biography in the A-Z of Southampton Football Club reads as follows:
      "The only Hampshire born player to appear in the Saints' FA Cup Final sides of 1900 and 1902, 'Archie' was also the first man from the county to be capped by England. A clever outside-right, he achieved the then unique distinction of receiving his international call-up in his debut season in first-class football. Archie's somewhat rapid rise to fame had the effect of making him a marked man with opposing full-backs but, despite being on the wrong side of some tough treatment, he continued to produce some exciting wing play. A master of delivering accurate centres, if he had a fault it was a reluctance to shoot, preferring instead to find a colleague who perhaps would not be in such a promising position. Tempted to join Derby County by a sizable financial inducement and the opportunity of playing alongside the famous England inside-right Steve Bloomer, Archie failed to shine in such illustrious company, never added to his two international caps, and later regretted leaving The Dell. He returned in 1904 but his day had already passed and his early form had evaporated to such an extent that he quit the professional game a year later to join his father's business in Farnborough."
      (From 'The Alphabet of the Saints: Complete Who's Who of Southampton Football Club' by Duncan Holley, Gary Chalk and Ted Bates)

      Although Arthur TURNER has dropped out of first-class football he has not completely severed his connection with the game. He is playing regularly for South Farnborough, his first love, varying his position in the forward line according to circumstances. South Farnborough, by the way, must be a fine side, for in addition to the old international the players include Harry TURNER, YORKE, HARMSWORTH, and BELL, the latter of whom the Saints have just signed. I somehow think that Arthur would have had a longer career as a first-class player if he had not left the Saints. He never had a partner that could compare with Harry WOOD in his sojourn in the North, neither was he so comfortable with either Derby County or Newcastle United as he was at Southampton. Expectations that were destined not to be realised led him from the South. On the night that the Saints were returning from the Crystal Palace, having been beaten in the F.A. Cup final by Sheffield United, strong pressure was brought to bear on TURNER to induce him to remain with the team, but it was futile. I wonder whether he has ever wished that he had changed his mind!"
      ('Recorder' writing in the Football Echo 1906-1907)

      Both Arkie and Harry TURNER were suspended for two months in November 1906 for playing for South Farnborough without being registered as professionals. At that time a professional had to obtain a permit to play as an amateur.
      (source: Gary Chalk from Southampton FC Minutes)

      The 1911 census of 1 Westfield Terrace, Park Road, Farnborough, Hampshire:
      *Arthur TURNER, head, aged 34, shop assistant, furnishing and general shop, born at Farnborough, Hampshire;
      Edith TURNER, wife, married 7 years, aged 27, born at Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland;
      Vera Dorrity TURNER, daughter, aged 6, at school, born at Farnborough, Hampshire;
      Edith Caroline TURNER, daughter, aged 1, born at Farnborough, Hampshire.

      He played football and cricket for the South Farnborough Athletic Club probably up to the end of 1913 when the club appears to have been made bankrupt. He lead them into the Southern League in 1909. In South Farnborough Athletic records he is described variously as 'Arthur' or 'Archie'. His brother Harry had followed him to Southampton FC and to South Farnborough Athletic. Apparently both brothers were prolific goal scorers and run-getters for the SFA club, and the results of the side were very dependent upon whether both brothers were playing or not.

      His wife Edith died aged 38 on 13 May 1922.

      In November 2000 Brenda May EDGOOSE (nee TURNER) said that her uncle Arkie did not die in the Great War but died of the TB he caught from his wife Edith. He lived in a shelter at the bottom of the garden at the back of the shop adjoining her father's ironmongery business. She remembered seeing him only once when her sister Barbara was about four years old. The shop next door was a post office and also belonged to the TURNER family.

      He died at Lynchford Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, on 4 April 1925 at the age of 47. He was described as an ironmonger. His brother H. TURNER of 92 Peabody Road, Farnborough, informed the registrar.

      An obituary appeared in the Aldershot News & Farnborough Chronicle on 10 April 1925 page 12 column 2:
      at Farnborough
      The death of Arthur, or, as he was much more popularly known, "Arkie" TURNER, at the age of 48 will cause very sincere regret amongst an extremely large circle of friends, for he was an athlete and a footballer who was universally held in great esteem by all who knew him.

      His rise in the football world was meteoric. In 1892-3-4 he played for the old Aldershot North End football club, and afterwards for South Farnborough, in the old Aldershot Combination, and for the old Camberley St Michael's, in the now defunct East and West Surrey League, which was then the principal senior organisation in the district. It was whilst playing with St. Michael's that he came under the notice of the famous Southampton professional club, for whom, in the spring of 1900, he signed on, and in the following September, commenced with the Saints, who had then more than begun to make their name. "Arkie's" abilities as an outside-right were at once recognised and he automatically, from the first, became a member of the Saint's first string, and, with the famous Harry WOOD, the old International, formed the Southern League champions' right wing.

      That season was a most eventful one for TURNER, for it so happened that Southampton were then playing on the top of their form, and they reached the final of the English [FA] Cup Competition, being the first southern club to do so for over 20 years.

      During this season TURNER's form had more than once caught the eye of the International selectors, and it was therefore little wonder that he was selected to play at outside-right for England in the International match v Ireland. Thus, in one season, he was playing for the old Camberley St Michael's, and in the following had risen to International distinction, in addition to playing in the English Cup final - a distinction probably never before or since achieved by a young player in his first season as a pro.

      In the following season TURNER was again selected to play for England v Ireland, but in that match he was unable to do himself justice, having but a day or two before buried his mother, a loss which occasioned him a good deal of grief, but he had previously accepted, and, decided, against the advice of many friends, to keep his engagement.

      From Southampton "Arkie" went to Derby County, where for a while he partnered another great International player, Steve BLOOMER, then in his prime. From Derby "Arkie" went to Newcastle, and with the United had a season or two in the far north, playing in the First Division with much success. Eventually he came south again, and closed his professional career with Tottenham Hotspur, after which he returned to the business in which he was associated with his father, in Lynchford Road, North Camp.

      In local cricket, "Arkie" was always in great demand, and for many years he was the most prominent player that the Frimley Cricket Club had. It was a great pleasure to local cricketers when he was given a place in the charity cricket match which was played on the RMC ground three years ago, and in which he was actually pleased to have been thought of by the promoters of the game, for inclusion in the side which played Bob RELF's "South of England" XI.

      As a sportsman "Arkie" TURNER always played the game, both as an amateur and as a professional, and leaves behind a pleasant memory.

      The funeral took place on Wednesday [8 April 1925] afternoon, the first part of the service being held in St Mark's Church, and was attended by a very large number of relatives and friends."

      He was still remembered in 2002. The Official Matchday Programme for the game between England and Macedonia on Wednesday 16 October 2002 lists 'Saints and Lions' - Southampton Football Club players who starred for England. "Southampton winger Arthur 'Archie' TURNER made his England debut in the 2-0 victory over Ireland in March 1900 and was an FA Cup finalist in both 1900 and 1902, also featuring in Saints' 1900-1901 Southern League title success".

      (revised 11.02.2007)